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Can anyone prove to me that Global Warming is real?


Everybody sais that the scientists are saying that Global Warming is having a huge impact on us. But there are also all of these articles saying that these are the coldest temperatures that we have had in years. Please don’t state your argument unless you also have a lot of fact to back up. I have some articles that have facts about the weather patterns and that say that Global Warming isn’t true.

My argument:

Yes, the serious climate scientists really are getting this desperate, folks. Eric Holthaus at QZ.com asserts (with a straight face, we assume):

In fact, despite the trolling of Donald Trump and other climate change deniers, global warming is probably contributing to the record cold, as counter-intuitive as that may seem. The key factor is a feedback mechanism of climate change known as Arctic amplification.
Here’s how to explain the nuts and bolts of it to your under-informed family and friends: Snow and ice are disappearing from the Arctic region at unprecedented rates, leaving behind relatively warmer open water, which is much less reflective to incoming sunlight than ice. That, among other factors, is causing the northern polar region of our planet to warm at a faster rate than the rest of the northern hemisphere.
This, he argues, causes the arctic jetstream to slow down which, in turn, produces wavier, heavier, and more extreme weather patterns (such as the current Polar Vortex).

However, someone probably should have told actual scientists, who have observed that Arctic ice is actually at high record levels.

There has been a 29 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, the equivalent of 533,000 square miles.

In a rebound from 2012’s record low, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.

So does this mean that the jetstream actually isn’t slowing down? Does this mean that the Polar Vortex isn’t actually the result of this?

And, most importantly, does this mean that the science actually isn’t settled? Consider this:

A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.

If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming. The news comes several years after predictions that the arctic would be ice-free by 2013.

Despite the original forecasts, major climate research centres now accept that there has been a “pause” in global warming since 1997.

So is global cooling responsible for the cold temperature today? Or is it global warming?

No wonder the environmental crowd has adopted the catch-all term climate change: keeping track of all of the changes to this settled science can be confusing.

Souces:

http://politicaloutcast.com/2014/01/global-warming-fundamentalists-will-let-freezing-evidence-shake-faith/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html

Please try your hardest to convince me that Global Warming is true.

Best wishes,

Bryce

Hello Bryce,

With all due respect, it’s neither sensible nor rational to try to draw conclusions about the world’s climates by referencing biased media sources. You would do considerably better to go straight to horse’s mouth and analyse for yourself the observations and research that is being conducted.

Statements such as “There has been a 29 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year” are the preserve of people who a) haven’t a clue what they’re talking about and absolutely no comprehension of scientific or mathematical process or b) are deliberately trying to deceive.

Your source for this quote is a general journalist (no area of expertise) in a biased newspaper. She compares current ice-extent levels to the record low, if you compare anything to the record low then the only possible outcome is that you get a rebound, I’m surprised anyone could fall for such a weak mathematical deception.

In her next sentence she goes on about the record low sea-ice extent observed in 2012. But hang on a minute. If there’s no such thing as global warming then how on earth did this record low occur? Further, how come 2013 ended at the second lowest level ever observed for that time of year and why is the amount of ice at the Arctic (even after the rebound) still amongst the lowest levels ever recorded. Why, just a few years ago, was the average annual sea-ice extend some 13.5 million km² and now it’s just 11 million km². Why, in just the last 10 years, has the annual average record low been broken five times. Why is the summer ice-extent in recent years almost half of what it used to be?
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/

Unfortunately events in the real world are ignored by those seeking to push an agenda, they just cherry-pick the odd snippet here and there and distort it to suit their purposes – just like the journalists in your linked articles have done. You can use the links above to see for yourself what’s really happening in the Arctic and just how dramatic the decline has been.

Why do you think the skeptics have to rely almost exclusively on journalists and websites for their ‘arguments’. If evidence was coming from real world observations then they could use this but unfortunately this isn’t happening. Much to the disappointment of the sceptics the real world has seen…

• a 600% increase in flooding
http://www.grida.no/graphicslib/thumbs/1…

• all the hottest years on record occur recently
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

• a 200% increase in the number of heatwaves and a 300% increase in the number of heatwave days
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/07/30/1205276109

• sea levels rising faster and glaciers melting all around the world
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2011GL048794/full

• CO2 levels are higher now than they have been for millions of years – far higher
http://scrippsco2.ucsd.edu/

Please note: my links aren’t to journalists or blogs, they’re to the likes of NASA, the National Academy of Sciences and the Scripps Institute.

If you want the absolute proof of the existence of global warming then you’re going to have to get to grips with quantum mechanics as it’s at the atomic level that we can observe what’s really happening and how greenhouse gas molecules interact with and retain photons of heat energy. Wiki explains it in relatively simple terms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

Might I respectfully suggest that you conduct a little of your own research into the climates of the world and the basics of climate change, you would then be able to understand for yourself what’s happening in the world and why, and wouldn’t fall for the nonsense peddled by non-scientists with an agenda to push.

You would also know why there has been a pause in atmospheric warming and how warmer temperatures can occasion instances of cold weather.

Actually, you are incorrect about arctic sea ice. At the present time it is about two standard deviations BELOW its long term mean. It is also below where it was this time of year when compared to its record low season. Others have pointed out other things that are wrong with your arguments.

If you want to be &quot:convinced&quot:, you shouldn’t ask us to do it, you should stop reading all the garbage where you currently get your information and start looking at legitimate science sites or, better yet, textbooks.

Right now you are one among the millions that are &quot:willfully ignorant&quot: and it is pretty much a waste of time to try and change your mind. You have to open your mind up to learning, or trying to tell you anything will be pointless.

&gt:&gt:I have some articles that have facts about the weather patterns and that say that Global Warming isn’t true.&lt:&lt:

…and religiously avoided reading any science articles.

&gt:&gt:However, someone probably should have told actual scientists, who have observed that Arctic ice is actually at high record levels.&lt:&lt:

No, the “actual scientists” observed that the “Arctic Sea Ice Minimum in 2013 is Sixth Lowest on Record.”

http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/arct…

&gt:&gt:A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) &lt:&lt:

Someone leaked a report TO the IPCC? You really need to work on your “copy-n-paste” skills.

&gt:&gt:Please try your hardest to convince me that Global Warming is true. &lt:&lt:

How do you convince someone who rejects science and is too stupid to learn?

It’s not global warming — it’s **man-made** Global Warming that the debate is about. It’s very important to understand that because there was in fact a little natural warming, but is was NOT caused by human activity like Alarmists want you to believe. Watch the videos below, they do a very good job of explaining the entire scam.

Top climate scientists say there is no man-made Global Warming.

The Great Global Warming Swindle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4R…

Global Warming Doomsday Called Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr5O1HsTV…

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If you can’t understand the science, or pay close enough attention to see the effects of global warming with your own eyes, then it isn’t worth a believer’s time or energy to explain it to you. 97% of the world’s scientists say global warming is happening and it’s our fault. Scientists are smart. And smart people are usually right.

There is no global cooling AGW is still going strong. many of the consequences will take years to develop, but develop they will

The last decade was the warmest on record, 2012 was the 10th warmest year on record and 2013 is expected to be in or near the top ten. That doesn’t sound like cooling to me. it is just a denier lie

You will find plenty by searching and avoiding all the skeptic blogs

Record high levels eh?

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/…

Perhaps you should pay attention to trends?

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/…

Why in the winter do we always have people coming in here claiming that we are headed for an ice age because weather patterns during wintertime are cold or colder?

Arctic ice is higher in 2013 compared to 2012, both years are below average which is decreasing.
Spend more time reading real science.

Have fun in your alternate universe.

Hi Bryce.
The facts are that no one can say either way, it is just a theory, with no proof.
Originally global warming was back up by the correlation of warming temperatures and rising CO2 levels, but right now that correlation doesn’t look to good.

No one can prove anything to you if your mind is set against it.

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