We happened upon a church group who are christians who follow what is written in the bible – nothing else. They talk in tongues and say that it is the proof that happens when you recieve the holy spirit.
Can someone please explain it to me – ONLY people who know about it, not athiests who like to throw stones at believers. I would like to join the group but like to know about what I am doing before I join…
The Bible teaches us that there are two types of ":tongues":. One, is for the Believers edification. It is commonly called their ":prayer language":. It is when the Christian allows the Holy Spirit to pray through them. This is necessary at times because the Bible teaches us that there are some thingвЂ™s the Christian does not know how, or what to pray for. And, this also allows the Christian to worship God when their own natural language is insufficient. This ":prayer language": is given to the Believer when he or she receives the infilling of the Holy Ghost.
The baptism in the Holy Spirit is the empowering for service that takes place in the life of the Christian.
The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a Second encounter with God. The first encounter with God is called as ‘conversion’ or salvation. Just as the indwelling Spirit reproduces the life of Jesus, the outpoured, or baptizing Spirit reproduces the ministry of Jesus.
To illustrate, if I had a glass of water and took a swallow, then the water would be inside me. If, on the other hand, I went down to the beach and stepped into the ocean, then I would be in the water. We receive, as it were, a drink of the Spirit when we are saved, but when we are baptized in the Spirit, it is as if that initial drink becomes an ocean that completely surrounds us.
The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a definite experience, not identical with conversion. When the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is received, unknown tongues will follow. The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is given to endue the believer with power from on high: to give and to equip him for a practical, efficient, spirit-filled, soul-winning ministry and service. Inasmuch as this is the dispensation of the Holy Spirit, every believer has a right to expect His incoming to be after the same manner as recorded by the Word of God in Bible days.
Luke 24:49: John 14:16: Acts 1:8: 2:4, 38-39: 10:44 -48, 19:6
Do not think that I am saying you have to speak in tongues to be saved. I am not. The work of the Lord Jesus Christ and the mercy of God bring salvation and the indwelling Spirit, and that does not involve speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues, from all indications in the New Testament, is the consequence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit. There was an initial utterance in tongues, bearing witness that the tongue had been sanctified and empowered by God for His use. But speaking in tongues was not necessary for the salvation of those people.
Praying in tongues builds your faith. ":But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost": (Jude 20). Some think you have to be ":spiritually up": and anointed to pray in tongues, but praying in the Spirit builds our faith. If you need victory, pray in tongues.
Praying in your prayer language brings you spiritual rest. ":For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest: and this is the refreshing . . . .": (Isaiah 28:11,12). When we are tired or upset we can pray in tongues and receive supernatural rest from God.
Praying in the Holy Spirit can help us better understand the truth of GodвЂ™s Word and His guidance. ":Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself: but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come": (John 16:13).
Praying in the Spirit helps us in that circumstance. ":Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered": (Romans 8:26). 1 Corinthians 14:2 says, ":For no man understandeth him: howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.":
Praying in the prayer language gives us a ":direct line": to God. ":For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God": (1 Corinthians 14:2.) God the Holy Spirit can talk to God the Father in ways we cannot. ":For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God": (1 Corinthians 14:2.) God the Holy Spirit can talk to God the Father in ways we cannot.
Praying in the Spirit acclimates us to the realm of the Gifts of the Spirit. I believe it is a stepping stone to the other gifts. For these reasons you can see that speaking in tongues is much more than just a sign of the Holy Spirits Baptism.
The second type of ":tongues": taught in Scripture is called the ":gift of tongues": This is when a Christian speaks a message in tongues that is designed by God to operate in tandem with another spiritual gift from God called the ":gift of interpretation":. These two gifts allows work in tandem, and are always for the church body. Together these gifts deliver a message from the Lord to His church is a supernatural way. This message is always to be judged by the word of God to see if it lines up with the Scriptures. If it does not, then the Bible teaches us it is to be rejected. Usually this happens when a young Christian becomes zealous for the gifts to operate in them, and will give what they ":feel": to be a message from God. If it does line up to the Bible, then it is to be received as such.
1 Cor. 12:7-11, 31, 1 Cor. 14
Hope this helps.
As some have said the original purpose of tongues was so that Christians could preach in other countries using their own language. But with English being so wide-spread, it is hardly found any more.
There are many fraudulent uses of ":tongues": in church, as it is one of the hardest gifts to verify, at least to the average church-goer. But there are some rules that will set apart the true use of tongues from the fraudulent:
1. Paul says there should be at the MOST two or three who do so in church or any gathering and they must do so IN TURN, not all at once:
I Corinthians 14:27-28
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course: and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church: and let him speak to himself, and to God.
I have been to churches where the entire congregation starts rattling off weird languages at the same time. This is in direct violation of Scripture as shown above and does not come from the Holy Spirit. As Paul said of this kind of thing:
I Corinthians 14:23
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
Would you want to go to a church that sounded like the Bedlam Insane Asylum?
2. God will NEVER interrupt the preaching of His Word with an utterance of a tongue.
I have seen in a number of cases where someone will jump up and start babbling in a ":tongue": in the middle of a sermon or a song. One pastor correctly ordered the person to sit down and shut up as this was not of God.
As for speaking in tongues being a sign that you have the Holy Spirit, this is definitely not true. Neither Jesus nor John the Baptist spoke in tongues, and both were filled with the Holy Spirit from birth.
Paul says of this:
I Corinthians 12:27-30
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Speaking in tongues is a GIFT of the Spirit, not a SIGN of the Spirit. Not all receive the same gifts, just as not all are prophets, teachers, etc. God determines who gets what in the way of gifts. So don’t let anyone tell you that you must speak in tongues as proof that you have the Holy Spirit within you, as this is not mandated in Scripture.
I could go on, but I think I’ve made my points. There is a very good study at the link below that will explain more. 🙂
I hope this helps?
1 Cor 13:8 is talking about when all believers are with the Lord. Then will the gifts vanish. None have vanished, yet (I don’t personally believe there are apostles today). Not all believers are given the ability to speak in tongues (1 Cor 12:30).
I’m in OZ mate but must tell you that they believe that the only way to discern that you have received the Holy Spirit is by talking in tongues, or other words babbling.
We know we have the Holy spirit in our lives by the transformation of our hearts not by babbling.
Speaking in tongues was a gift that made people talk in another language so the Gospel could be spread. If you were French then God could make me speak French to Communicate with you, this is very possable today as the Holy spirit moves on an individual, but not Babbling.
A bloke pretended to speak in tongues/babble and said pass the salt 3 times in another language, and their minister started to translate it into this huge message from the Holy spirit, didn’t he look the fool.
Be care full sweety search a few Church’s and pray lots.
Jesus granted his early desciples the power of speaking in different languages in order to carry God’s message to different lands and different tongues. That is the ONLY reason the power was granted. It is no longer the power of Christ today, because God’s word the Bible has been printed and explained in nearly every region.
1Cor. 13:8-10 – ..whether there are gifts of prophesying, they will be done away with: whether there are tongues, they will cease…we have partial knowledge…but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial is done away with.
The Bible is God’s Word, and it is complete. All other forms of prophesying and tongues are done away with, because we have this complete Word. Jesus intended the power to only exist for a short time. Not forever.
Because they didn’t have access to Gods Word completey in Jesus day, he gave them the power of tongues, and instructed his desciples to go out preaching the word to the most distant parts of the Earth, baptizing.
Acts 2:1-11 – …..and tongues as if of fire became visible to them …and were distributed…started to speak with different tongues, just as the spirit was granting them…..Cretans and Arabians, we hear then speaking in OUR tongues ABOUT THE MAGNIFICENT THINGS OF GOD.
So we clearly see that their speech was understandable to those who were from those lands of that language, and those that heard them speaking different tongues, could ascertain that they were speaking of the magnificent things of God.
As you may have witnessed for yourself, speaking in tongues today is a completely self involving act. The words make no sense to anybody, which doesn’t serve to deliver God’s message. Just because a person has the ability to speak in tongues, does not mean the power is from God. Consider…
1 John 4:1 – ":Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression (every spirit), but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.":
Yes, remember Pharoah’s sorcerers were able to match for a while the miracles that Moses performed. That doesn’t mean the power was from God.
What’s more, there is no record of Jesus speaking ecstatically or incomprehensively, so that he couldn’t be understood. On the contrary, he spoke so everybody could absolutely, clearly understand his words.
Ok then! Be safe! Peace!!!!
There are religions that believe speaking in tongues is God’s will and that you cannot speak in tongues until you are saved…it is a gift from God. Other religions will argue that God told us not to speak in tongues anymore. (Corinthians). The one thing that all believe though is that you are not to listen to anyone who speaks in tongues without and interpretor present.
You really need to study up on this one before you decide to join their church because it is complex and both sides can show you what they think is proof of why they should or shouldn’t speak it.
I literally had a debate going with my brother in law that lasted a couple of months …he is for speaking in tongues and I disagree. We finally decided to agree to disagree lol.
Have a great day!
I’m one of those that you’re talking about.Read the 2nd chapter of Acts,verse 4.They were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.When a person speaks in tongue,it’s their spirit that does the speaking.Read 1st Corinthians 14.The prayer language when you get baptized in the Holy Spirit is different than the spiritual gift mentioned in 1st Corinthians 12.The benefits are too many to list here,but I’ll try to mention a few of them.When you pray in other tongues,1.you build yourself up in the spirit.2.you’re more sensitive to the Holy Spirits’ prompting.3.you gain a boldness in witnessing.4.it opens the door to the gifts of the Spirit as listed in 1st Corinthians 12.It’s really been a blessing to me!
martyb51 has it right. read the Corinthians readings he says
there are two tongues. one for interpretation and one for private use
there is only one way to be saved and that is by faith in Christ Jesus. nothing else will do it.
i am someone who thinks all Christians should have the gift of private tongues as we all need to be built up in the Spirit, be edified, be used to pray for what only God wants us to pray, many others reasons. but.. not everyone wants or thinks they need it.
i live in Ararat Victoria: Aussie
Sounds a little iffy if you ask me, an Episcopalian. Talking in tongues could refer back to when the disciples were ":baptized with the holy spirit":, and were able to speak and be understood by all, no matter what language the listener spoke.
However, it’s a hefty claim to make, since it hasn’t been shown to have happened for about 2000 years. Check it out first so you don’t get scammed.
Okey original talking in tongues in the bible is the ability to preach in any language on earth without needing to learn the language and this is meant to be a gift bestowed upon the most holy of people.
Speaking int tongues as in the ":BAGOLDFKDlkdfdl": kind of stuff is generally considerd to be satanic possesion.
of couse i belive in neither as im a atheist and im sure that will get me a bunch of thumbs downs
":Glossolalia or speaking in tongues is the vocalizing of fluent speech-like, but unintelligible utterances, often as part of religious practice. Its use (including use in this article) also embraces Xenoglossy – speaking in a natural language that was previously unknown to the speaker.":