Someone was telling me about a day when they want everyone to turn everything off for an hour as a campaign for the fight against climate change. I have never believed global warming but i can’t honestly believe how bad things have got. People have openly accepted the theory that a) CO2 is some sort of killer gas that causes the Earth’s temperature to increase, and b) Human activity actually directly or indirectly affects climate.
So i wanted to see for myself how many people believe in Man-made global warming and why they do.
I am not skeptical of AGW because I think humans are incapable of affecting the environment. Clearly we have emitted enough CO2 to cause nearly a doubling of the CO2 from 280 to about 500 but since much of the CO2 we emitted was dissovled into the ocean, the increase amounted to just over a hundred ppmV. Humans are clearly capable of damaging the environment.
That said, it doesn’t appear that CO2 is a main driver in climate change. In fact it follows temperature change. Because that is an incovenient FACT, alarmists have come up with theories that temperature first changes CO2 and then CO2 acts to drive the temperature. It is pretty easy to see the holes their logic but this doesn’t stop them. For them I think it boils down to humans are bad, particularly capitalism and industry, humans emit CO2, the climate has generally been warming, CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and therefore humans must have been causing the warming. You have to disconnect your common sense to believe this sort of nonsense IMO
Until you can provide the slightest bit of supporting data why not save yourself the five minutes and not bother typing such rubbish.
@ Jim. You miss out a rather important point, and that is CO2 lagged temperature IN THE PAST. As a geologist I’m sure you should be aware that during glacial melt the CO2 released (500-800 years after the temp rises) acts as an amplification factor to the warming? So they each act as a positive feedback on the other. Therefore it follows that CO2 from man made activities can easily raise the temperature.
Plus, CO2’s warming ability is a physical fact, unless you doubt quantum mechanics?
NO. And intelligent people also do not ":believe": 2+2=4. They KNOW it!
The additional details are a sloppy and stupid pile of complete lies. Here is the real science:
U.S. National Academy of Sciences, 2010:
вЂњClimate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for a broad range of human and natural systems.вЂќ
вЂњChoices made now about carbon dioxide emissions reductions will affect climate change impacts experienced not just over the next few decades but also in coming centuries and millenniaвЂ¦Because CO2 in the atmosphere is long lived, it can effectively lock the Earth and future generations into a range of impacts, some of which could become very severe.вЂќ
вЂњThe Academy membership is composed of approximately 2,100 members and 380 foreign associates, of whom nearly 200 have won Nobel Prizes. Members and foreign associates of the Academy are elected in recognition of their distinguished and continuing achievements in original research: election to the Academy is considered one of the highest honors that can be accorded a scientist or engineer.вЂќ
The site seems to be written by Peter C. Glover:
Peter C. Glover is a freelance journalist &: writer specializing in politics, the media and cultural affairs. He was a legal executive with the UK Crown Prosecution Service for over 15 years and a national spokesman for the Director of Public Prosecutions office for three years. He has also specialized in media and policy development for a number of UK-based international charities.
More recently he has worked as a freelance media consultant before turning full-time to writing with numerous articles published in the UK, United States and Canada. He is the author of a number of books including ":The Politics of Faith: Essays on the Morality of Key Current Affairs": (Xulon Press). He has written for British Journalism Review, Broadcast magazine and TCS Daily. He writes his own web log at www.petercglover.com.
And cue the deniers to proclaim how ":intelligent": and ":knowledgeable": this dishonest drivel is.
The statements are amusing though. Gee, I wonder why they would have removed two completely incorrect statements from their draft?
By the way, the fact that CO2 is a molecule with a dipole moment capable of absorbing and re-emitting infrared radiation produced by the Earth’s surface–hence making the surface of the planet hotter–has been understood for over 150 years. So, yes, it really is you who needs to do more research, as you are centuries behind.
And from the National Academy of Sciences:
":97вЂ“98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field surveyed here support the tenets of anthropogenic climate change outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.":
So where do you get your information, do you and your buddies just make it up while you’re swilling six-packs and dipping? You said:
":90% of scientists do not believe it…":
That can only be described as delusional–virtually every major scientific organization in the world has issued a statement about the reality of global warming–see
I would tell you to research it too, but it’s clear that you’re afraid to accept reality, so it really doesn’t matter whether you ":research": it or not, but it would be helpful if you refrained from saying anything about it, since at least you wouldn’t be lying.
Perhaps you need to look up the greenhouse effect and CO2’s role in it because you seem to be ignorant of it.
Edit: And yes you should research it because you are ignorant. Try reading some actual peer review journals, if you know what those are, than your denial blogs and conspiracy theory sites.
JimZ: You state that CO2 follows temperature change therefor CO2 can not be the main driver. Are you, therefor, stating that humans burning fossil fuels are a result of warming and a natural process? Because that is certainly what your argument states.
I believe in man-made global warming. The reason is that I believe in facts, and man-made global warming is a fact. It has been well documented and researched by the international community of scientists.
I’d say that humans causing climate change is a little far-fetched, don’t you? I don’t think we have that sort of power.
There’s too many variables in weather and climate to post the blame on any one thing.
Plus, if the greenhouse gases deflect light/heat from exiting the Earth’s atmosphere, don’t you think they would block just as much stuff from getting in?
Well humankind finally convinced you ppl that the earth is round…and that we’re not the center of teh solar system…how many hundreds of years will it take for you to come around on this topic?