And also you might try reading the New Testament book of Revelation for the description of the great whore in it’s proper context, ding ding. Also in regard to the first question, I’d like to know how many mediators are there between God and man according to what Jesus said. If you say One, as it is written, then why do you ask Mary to pray for us sinners both now and at the hour of our death ?
One answerer said she is not a mediator but an intercessory.
Look up the meaning of intercessor in various dictionaries and im sure you’d see mediator being used as a synomym.
Again, look up the meaning of the word venerate and im sure you’d see the word worship being used as a synonym.
You can’t just conveniently use vague synonyms to get unscriptural beliefs and practices to seem to not contradict the Bible – you can’t fool God.
Such playing with words to conceal wrongs is tantamount to saying:
":This is not a hurricane, it is a tropical cyclone.":
My hope is that honest-hearted persons in all religions that don’t respect the Bible enough to follow it above man-made traditions, would take a stand for the Truth before it is too late.
HERE IS THE ANSWER, EVERYBODY PLEASE READ. In Jesus’s time and long before that no one was like Christ or had the ability to do the things he said, or have the education he gave. Because no one had his teachings yet. Then the appearance of Christ was known and he was now on the Earth. When he was leaving the earth Peter was the closest to Christ in comparison as the most educated of the apostles. So Christ decided to make him the new teacher, because Christ did not want to leave the earth without a teacher. What i’m saying is, there was only a few men that could teach like Jesus 2000 years ago. In today’s world there are thousands. For example Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev is more like Christ then any pope. The catholic church made the belief that there should only be one like Christ at a Certain time, and that one, should be granted the title of pope which means father. When in Matthew 23:9 it says, Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. The catholic church has made the belief that peter was the first pope when indeed Peter was the second taecher after Christ. The catholic church is dismissing all teachers who are not catholics to be a false teacher. Which is indeed a sin. Most catholics you see today will say it is only there way and not the protestants way, but im not talking about other religons, im talking about the ones who have found the answers from within, through spiritual methods, not a certain set of beliefs. i cant believe people think its that simple. The universe and Jesus christ are not so simple. Modern science is telling us we can only understand 5% of the universe. God says he is unlimited and there is unlimited knowledge. religon will stop people from using there intellect
Directed to AVIATOR :
The fact that the Catholic Church is singled out by Fundamentalists as the Whore reveals that they intuit the fact it has an important role in GodвЂ™s plan. No other church gets accused of being the WhoreвЂ”only the Catholic Church. And it is understandable why: The Catholic Church is the largest Christian body, larger than all other Christian bodies put together, suggesting a prominent place in GodвЂ™s plan. Fundamentalists assume, without objectively looking at the evidence, that the Catholic Church cannot be the Bride of Christ, so it must be the Whore of Babylon.
If we read Revelation you would notice that the clothing the Whore was wearing is the key to her identity.
Compare Revelation with the following, Her clothing ":the woman was clothed round about with purple and scarlet, and gilt with gold and precious stones and pearls": and The holy vestments for Aaron and his sons.
The Whore in other words wore the robes and diadem of the JEWISH HIGH PRIEST. What other clues can be ascertained about her? She committed fornications,":having a golden cup in her hand, full of the abomination and filthiness of her fornication…the mother of the fornications and the abominations of the earth.": What did the prophet Hosea say about the nation of Israel?
She was ":drunk with the blood of the saints.": It is known to historians that the Jews actively aided Nero in persecuting the early Church. Our Lord even condemned the Jewish leaders of his time because this characteristic manifested itself numerous times before his time as well.
Even before the death of the last Apostles we find the Jews ":drunk …with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus": Let us not forget Stephen’s speech before the Jews and his martyrdom in the The Acts of The Apostles.
Those (in your words, ding ding) that claim that the ":Whore": is the Catholic Church need to read their Bibles much more carefully because there are trace clues there that show us who the Whore really was. I also find it interesting that it is asserted (with no proof whatsoever) that for some reason Revelation is applicable in its prophecies to our day and age (or indeed any future age). Now while to some extent this is true (since the Church has always recognized that there will be a real Anti-Christ at the end of the world), it is pretty apparent that if we take a view of ":realized eschatology": (and recognize that since John was writing specifically to 7 churches many of which do not exist anymore), that the bulk of Revelation (at least the first 19 chapters) is already fulfilled prophecy.
There is one Mediator between humans and the Father and that is Jesus Christ, True God and True Man. The Virgin Mary is the Mediatrix between humans and Jesus. Just as Jesus came to us through Mary, so too, over 2 millenia later, does He give us graces through Mary, the Mediatrix of All Graces.
There is no need for a mediator between us and God.
Asking Mary to Pray for us could not hurt anything though.
There is nothing non biblical about that.
Keep trying though.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 (New International Version)
4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all menвЂ”the testimony given in its proper time.
Why are you directing this Q at JMR?
I’m a Catholic so I’ll answer this simple Q:
There is only ONE mediator: Jesus Christ Our Lord.
I’m not sure why your insinuating Catholics have ":other": mediators.
We ":do": believe in the Communion of the Saints…where we ask others to pray for us. Others that are in heaven and are perfected already. Asking them to pray for us is No Different than asking You to pray for me. I surely don’t think Your my mediator.
So, if I ask you to pray for me Now and at the Hour of My Death your still Not My Mediator…Wow…Your having a hard time with this Simple, Simple, Very Simple concept.
Peace be with you in this hour.
There is ONE Mediatior between us and the Father – and that is Jesus Christ.
What you have to understand is that God also desires Intercessory Prayer to Mary and the saints &: angels – and that does not contradict Jesus being the One Mediatior.
1 Tim 2:1-2 – because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul’s teaching about Jesus as the ":one mediator,": Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why?
1 Tim 2:3 – because this subordinate mediation is good and acceptable to God our Savior. Because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in Christ’s role as mediator.
1 Tim. 2:5 – therefore, although Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors (subordinate mediators).
1 Cor. 3:9 – God invites us to participate in Christ’s work because we are God’s ":fellow workers": and one family in the body of Christ. God wants His children to participate. The phrase used to describe ":fellow workers": is ":sunergoi,": which literally means synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. Does God need fellow workers? Of course not, but this shows how much He, as Father, loves His children. God wants us to work with Him.
Mark 16:20 – this is another example of how the Lord ":worked with them": (":sunergountos":). God cooperates with us. Out of His eternal love, He invites our participation.
Rom. 8:28 – God ":works for good with": (the Greek is ":sunergei eis agathon":) those who love Him. We work as subordinate mediators.
2 Cor. 6:1 – ":working together": (the Greek is ":sunergountes":) with him, don’t accept His grace in vain. God allows us to participate in His work, not because He needs our help, but because He loves us and wants to exalt us in His Son. It is like the father who lets his child join him in carrying the groceries in the house. The father does not need help, but he invites the child to assist to raise up the child in dignity and love.
Heb. 12:1 – the вЂњcloud of witnessesвЂќ (nephos marturon) that we are surrounded by is a great amphitheatre of witnesses to the earthly race, and they actively participate and cheer us (the runners) on, in our race to salvation.
1 Peter 2:5 – we are a holy priesthood, instructed to offer spiritual sacrifices to God. We are therefore subordinate priests to the Head Priest, but we are still priests who participate in Christ’s work of redemption.
Rev. 1:6, 5:10 – Jesus made us a kingdom of priests for God. Priests intercede through Christ on behalf of God’s people.
James 5:16: Proverbs 15:8, 29 – the prayers of the righteous (the saints) have powerful effects. This is why we ask for their prayers. How much more powerful are the saintsвЂ™ prayers in heaven, in whom righteousness has been perfected.
1 Tim 2:5-6 – therefore, it is because Jesus Christ is the one mediator before God that we can be subordinate mediators. Jesus is the reason. The Catholic position thus gives Jesus the most glory. He does it all but loves us so much He desires our participation.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
There is One Mediator.
What is a mediator? Have you looked up the word?
One that reconciles differences between disputants (ie Man and God). Jesus Christ is the only person that could bring us back to the Father, without Him we would be irreconcilable with God.
There would be NO way for us to reconcile ourselves with the Father without the Son. That is why there is ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN MAN AND GOD.
But, look at Galatians 3:19 ":What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.":
The word mediator is used here, but it is not speaking about Jesus, it’s speaking about Moses. ":the law was put into effect through angels by a mediator":, and that mediator was Moses.
The Mediator is Jesus Christ, He is the *only* one who could bring us back to the Father. But that does not mean that there cannot be mediators (more well known as intercessors) beneath Christ.
St. Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people in 1 Tim 2:1-2. He urges us to do this, to pray for all people in this way. He is urging us to intercede on the behalf of others.
And this is what we do when we ask Mary or any Saint or the Angels to pray for us. We are doing what St. Paul urged us to do. And since death cannot separate us from the Body of Christ and since Christ destroyed death, those who have passed from this world to the next are still alive and are still part of the Body of Christ.
We are one family on Heave and Earth when we are part of the Body of Christ.
Can Mary reconcile us back to the Father? No.
Can St. Paul? No.
Can St. Peter? No.
Can you? No.
Can I? No.
Can Jesus? Yes. And He has.
But, can Mary, St. Paul, St. Peter, you or I bring someone to Jesus? Yes.
Can we pray for someone on their behalf? Yes.
Can we intercede for someone on their behalf? Yes.
When you pray for your friend, you are interceding on their behalf to God through Jesus. That never changes.
St. Francis is my friend and my brother, when I ask him to pray for me on my behalf, I am not making him the Mediator. His prayers still are for me to God through Jesus. It doesn’t change.
You say that we need to read in context, but it sounds like you need to read more of the Bible than just a few pieces.
Only one, as all CAtholics know. Asking someone else to pray for us does not make them a mediator – it makes them an intercessor.
Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5). He is also manвЂ™s Intercessor (Heb. 7:25). While Christ is the only mediator between man and God, Christ is not (as we shall see) the only Intercessor man has. The difference between mediation and intercession is settled by a careful examination of the meaning of these two (2) words.
In the New Testament, our English word вЂњintercessionвЂќ if from the Greek word entunchano and it means, вЂњ…then to make petition, especially to make intercession, to plead with a person, either for or against othersвЂќ (Vines, Vol. 2., p.267). Note carefully, the very meaning implies a 3rd party.
In the New Testament, our English word вЂњmediatorвЂќ is from the Greek mesites and it means, вЂњa go between вЂ” with a view of making peace, as in 1 Tim. 2:5, though more than mere mediatorship is in view, for the salvation of man necessitated that the Mediator should Himself possess the nature and attributes of Him towards whom He acts, and should likewise participate in the nature of those for whom He acts (sin apart) further, the claims and the needs could only be met by One who, Himself being proved sinless, would offer Himself an expiatory sacrifice on behalf of man…":(Ibid. Vol. 3, p. 54). Though the idea of being a go between is certainly in the meaning of the word mediator, emphasis is also placed upon the sacrifice (death) of Christ. Christ is the only one who could, and did, die for our sins: hence, he is the only Mediator between God and man.
Now carefully consider the following. There can be, and there is, more than one intercessor for man. For example, Elijah made intercession to God against Israel (Rom. 11:2). Faithful brethren are told to вЂњConfess your faults one to another and pray one for another, the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth muchвЂќ (Jas. 5:16): this is intercessory prayer. W. E. Vines cites Rom. 8:26 as a case of intercession by the Holy Spirit, for or on behalf of the saints (Ibid, Vol. 2, p.267).
As stated earlier, the very nature of the case, concerning the meaning of the word вЂњintercessor,вЂќ implies a 3rd party. I can intercede for you, you may intercede for me, when we approach God in prayer. However, I cannot be a mediator between God and you. Why not? Simply because I did not die for you! By virtue of His death, Christ became our Mediator. The words вЂњmediatorвЂќ and вЂњintercessorвЂќ do not mean the same thing. Therefore, one may correctly refer to man, Christ, and the Holy Spirit as our intercessor, but Christ is our only Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5). Think about it