If the main difference between them is that they think jesus is the messiah but he will return then does that mean that christians were once jewish? But once they believed jesus was messiah that made them chrisitians?
also what would this mean
Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
If the messiah was suppose to accomplish this task (take jews to isreal) then what about the rest of the people? Does that mean that christians are not imporant and only jews go to isreal?
Also I read that the jewish people think jesus is not the messiah bc he didnt free them???
answer: you are incorrect. The moment anyone began worshiping Jesus, they removed themselves from Judaism and there is more differences than whether Jesus was the Jewish Messiah or not. Isaiah 43:5-6, another failed prophecy Jesus never fulfilled and never will since the Jewish Messiah will be human, not divine.
– says that no human can ever die for the sins of others
– says that Jesus died for the sins of mankind
– says that all humans are born pure, and innocent
– some say that all humans are born with ‘original sin’.
– says that G-d would never allow/enable a ‘virgin birth’
– says that Mary gave birth, though a virgin
– says that no man gets a ‘second coming’
– says that Jesus will have a ‘second coming’
– says that every human should speak directly to G-d
– Jesus claims in the ‘new testament’ that the ‘only way’ to G-d is via him
– says G-d is one, indivisible, cannot be separated into three aspects/incarnations
– some sects speaks of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
– says that we are ALL equally G-d’s children
– says that Jesus was ‘god’s son’ above all others
– some Muslims claim that the prophets are perfect and have never sinned, others believe the prophets sinned and repented
– has no concept of ‘hell’
– *some* Christians believe non-believers go to ‘hell’
– most Jews and Christians and all non-Jews/non-Christians go to hell though some state that only Allah knows who will end up in hell
– has no ‘devil’, the Jewish ‘Satan’ is just an ordinary angel, under G-d’s control
– describes ‘Satan’ as a devil and ‘fallen’ angel
– Satan was a jinn created from fire
– the ‘messiah’ will be a normal, mortal man who must fulfill all the Jewish messianic prophecies in one normal, mortal lifetime
– Jesus was the ‘messiah’ and will fulfill the prophecies when he ‘returns’
– believes Jesus was a prophet, not a вЂњson of G-dвЂќ. Mohammad is the last prophet
– says that the righteous of ALL faiths will reach ‘gan eden’ or ‘garden of eden’.
– some Christians insist that only those who ‘know Christ’ can reach heaven
– some Jews and Christians will reach Paradise, Muslims reach paradise and have it better than Jews and Christians. Many Muslims believe that G-d judges all equally.
– forbids Jews from trying to convert anyone to Judaism
– believes in actively ‘witnessing’ and encouraging people to convert to Christianity
– all must convert to Islam or pay a fine to remain Christian or Jewish and live as 2nd class citizens (all others must convert or die)
– The Torah remains unchanged
– differences from the original Torah
– claims the Torah and Christian bible were corrupted (with no proof)
– no concept of original sin
– some sects of Christianity believe in вЂњoriginal sinвЂќ to justify the need for a savior. Others believe that humankind cannot keep from sinning and requires a savior to cleanse them.
Thanks Paperback for the majority of this with some tweaking by Qua Patet Orbis and Myself.
Yes, Christianity started as a sect of Judaism, but once Jesus failed to fulfil the prophesies concerning the moshiach (messiah) and they started saying he was God, those who believed these things ceased to be Jews. Further, through the missionary work of Paul, a lot of non-Jews were brought into Christianity — more than the Jews who were brought in.
There are a lot more reasons that Jews don’t believe Jesus is the moshiach. He didn’t rebuild the temple, gather all the Jews into Israel, cause all the nations of the world to recognise God as the supreme being, bring an end to poverty and disease….all things the moshiach (messiah) is going to do according to prophesy (in the ":Old Testament":).
About bringing Jews back to Israel…this does not mean that Christians are not important, it just means that Israelites are supposed to live in Israel.
where christians once jewish?
* Well, almost all of the first believers in Jesus were jewish.
* There were some believers that were not jewish before accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior. People of greek, roman, or other gentile origin, not form jewish origin or jewish faith.
* The use by non-belivers of the term ":christians": to call those who believed in Jesus started decades after Jesus death and resurrection.
If the messiah was suppose to accomplish this task (take jews to isreal) then what about the rest of the people?
* In the eyes of the jewish people the main role of the Messiah was to restore Israel as an independent nation, free them from under the power of the Roman Empire. They were expecting a military / polithical leader: not an spiritual leader.
* But God / Jesus had other things in mind.
*** He had revealed through the prophets before that the role of the Messiah was also spiritual, to reconcile the world with God, to redeem humanity from sin as prophetized in Isaiah.
The definition of a Jew is when you a descendent from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. My pastor is Jew and he does belive in the Messiah Yeshua. There is jew and gentiles that belive in the Messiah. Isaiah 43:5-6 is a prophecy about the return of the jew to the land and it`s appening right now.
Jew are still the chosen people and is still his first born because he loved Abraham and promessed it to him. It is a personal choice to believe in the messiah and the only way to have our sins forgiven because he made atonment for our sin. Yeshua is alos the cornersone rejected by the builder. If you read Romans 9-10-11, you will understand that the Jews will believe in Yeshua at the end when the number of gentiles will be count.
In the time of Yeshua, the wanted someone to free them from the Roman impior, not from their sins. They thought the were righteous and did not need his sacrifice. A small percentage of the jews belived. In the beginning the beliver were only jew, but Yeshua show them that he was the light of the gentils too.
More prophecyes about him @ http://bibleverses1.webs.com/apps/blog/entries/create
That’s not the main difference at all.
Christianity uses a redefinition of ‘messiah’ which is polar opposite to Judaism’s original.
The Jewish Messiah is about helping us repair the world and build a society which is fair and just, with an end to oppression and empires. The Jewish Messiah doesn’t have anything to do with ‘salvation’, ‘original sin’, or hellfire.
Christianity got those lovely bits of theology from pagan salvation cults.
You have to understand that Jesus was a jew, and that christianity borrowed heavily from the jewish religion.
The jews do not believe Jesus was a messiah, because according to jewish belief, the messiah was supposed to lead an army to defeat the enemies of jews. Jesus did not quite do that according to the new testament.
It is possible that some small number of them were Christians.
However, the majority were not.
In fact, the original followers of jesus, the Nazarenes, considered paul a heretic and his teachings heresy.
However, paul and his followers won out and ":created": a new religion, called it the same thing and sold it to Non-Jews.
Ideas like the Trinity did not become part of Christianity until about 300 years later, for example at the council of nicea.
You can read about it in Mythmaker: Paul and the invention of Christianity by Maccoby.
In the year 33 C.E., the fleshly nation of Israel
lost its claim to be GodвЂ™s chosen nation
when it rejected JehovahвЂ™s Son, theMessiah.
TheMessiah himself put it this way: вЂњJerusalem,
Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets
and stoner of those sent forth to her
. . . Look! Your house is abandoned to
you.вЂќ (Matthew 23:37, 38) JesusвЂ™ statement
came true when in 70 C.E., Roman legions
destroyed Jerusalem along with its temple
and priesthood. But what was to become of
GodвЂ™s purpose to have a вЂњspecial property
out of all other peoples, . . . a kingdom of
priests and a holy nationвЂќ?вЂ”Exodus 19:5, 6.
The apostle Peter, himself a fleshly Jew,
answered that question in a letter written
to ChristiansвЂ”both Gentile and Jewish. He
wrote: вЂњYou are вЂa chosen race, a royal priesthood,
a holy nation, a people for special possession,вЂ™
. . . for you were once not a people,
but are now GodвЂ™s people: you were those
who had not been shownmercy, but are now
those who have been shown mercy.вЂќвЂ”1 Peter
Christians whowere selected by holy spirit
thus belong to a spiritual nation, theirmembership
not being determined by birth or
geographic location. The apostle Paul described
the matter this way: вЂњNeither is circumcision
anything nor is uncircumcision,
but a new creation is something. And all
those who will walk orderly by this rule of
conduct, upon them be peace and mercy,
even upon the Israel of God.вЂќвЂ”Galatians 6:
Whereas the modern nation of Israel offers
to confer citizenship upon any natural
or converted Jew, citizenship in what the Bible
calls вЂњthe Israel of GodвЂќ is given only to
those who are вЂњobedient and sprinkled with
the blood of Jesus Christ.вЂќ (1 Peter 1:1, 2)
Speaking of these members of the Israel of
God, or spiritual Jews, Paul wrote: вЂњHe is not
a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision
thatwhich is on the outside upon
the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the
inside, and his circumcision is that of the
heart by spirit, and not by a written code.
The praise of that one comes, not frommen,
but fromGod.вЂќвЂ”Romans 2:28, 29.
That verse helps us understand a controversial
comment Paul made. In his letter
to the Romans, Paul explained how the
unbelieving natural Jews
were like branches of a
symbolic olive tree that
were lopped off so that
вЂњwildвЂќ Gentile вЂњbranchesвЂќ
could be grafted
in. (Romans 11:17-21)
Concluding this illustration,
he states: вЂњA dulling
of sensibilities has happened
in part to Israel
until the full number
of people of the nations
has come in, and in this
manner all Israel will be
saved.вЂќ (Romans 11:25,
26) Was Paul foretelling
an eleventh hour mass
conversion of the Jews to
Christianity? Clearly, no
such conversion has taken
By the expression вЂњall
Israel,вЂќ Paul meant all of spiritual Israel
вЂ”Christians who have been selected by holy
spirit. He was saying that the failure of the
natural Jews to accept theMessiahwould not
thwart GodвЂ™s purpose to have a spiritual вЂolive
treeвЂ™ full of productive branches. This
is in harmony with JesusвЂ™ own illustration
of himself as a vine whose nonproductive
branches will be lopped off. Jesus said: вЂњI am
the true vine, andmy Father is the cultivator.
Every branch in me not bearing fruit he
takes away, and every one bearing fruit he
cleans, that it may bear more fruit.вЂќвЂ”John
Although the establishment of the modern
State of Israel was not foretold in the Bible,
the establishment of the nation of spiritual
Israel certainly was! If you identify
and associate with that spiritual nation today,
you will reap eternal blessings.вЂ”Genesis
22:15-18: Galatians 3:8, 9
yes, Christianity came from the fulfillment of Judaism.
Jesus extended salvation to far more than just the Jews who were waiting for it. He offered it to the whole world. But, in order to receive it some thought they had to take on all the Jewish practices. That is not the case. The New Testament makes it very clear that the Jewish practices taught in the Old Testament are fine but not necessary, in fact those related to making sacrifices are to be stopped simply because Christ has fulfilled them.
Where are Christians that were once Jewish? Everywhere.