In the past two questions about accidental pregnancies, I found myself in agreement with social conservatives — fairness for the dad takes a back seat to welfare of a child, so unintentional fathers have to pay child support. Society says the welfare of children trumps perfect gender equality.
Yet curiously, when the issue of universal healthcare rolls around, social conservatives oppose it, even for children — because it’s unfair, they argue, to force people to pay for other people’s healthcare. (Perhaps 8 year olds should have thought about getting insurance before they got leukemia!)
Do you see any inconsistency there? How would you explain it?
You see the same thing in other areas — unifying poor and rich school districts, food assistance programs, etc.
Dude, I want to see universal health care, especially for those who are powerless to choose, such as the children.
I don’t trust our government in administering it though, and I’m not sure how to get it done effectively. I think the various Catholic Health Systems have probably gotten as close to functionally addressing this issue as any institution. Their stand on abortion causes the left all kinds of heart burn, so public funding is tough to get. This makes me view the left as somewhat disingenuous.
I think many conservative minded folks, such as myself, don’t trust big, secular approaches to any fix, which causes a knee jerk reaction to a secular fix for health care.
All the above issues have many different things so much so that they can not be all lumped together. People having children out of wedlock need to take responsiblity for their actions and the children they produce. As far as healthcare there are many issues with the program brought forward, our country currently has a welfare system that offers medical coverage for every child anyway so why the need for this universal(socialistic) offer from the democrats that will cripple the heart of american business. Go see how successful this type of healthcare was in England or Canada? any country that has made it a mandatory thing has failed? hmmm wonder why? it will cause many small businesses to go out of business and since they make up about 83% of the taxes paid in this country is that going to be a good thing? are you willing to pay $10.00 for a big mac at mcdonalds to support the universal program because while it will appear to be free on the front, someone ultimately is paying for it, just like we do now with the current system. as far as the school districts and food assistance programs how about some clarity on what you are asking
I saw your response and consider it very enlightened, however, I keep having a nasty feeling about ":mother consciously decides not to abort and raise baby as single mom and father can be forced to pay child support":.
Maybe it is because I have a wiener and I’m inherently biased – I can’t step outside myself and examine me. Still, something is wrong there.
We’re also not talking about rich or middle-class women – there would be no real issue if the dad doesn’t pay. We’re talking about the poorest women where the problems lie. Then again, I live in a welfare state where such things are taken care off – I pay taxes for that stuff.
So my solution would be to solve the issue via state support – let the whole of society carry the burden – it lightens the load and that baby _is_ a member of that society.
My only explanation for this contradiction is greed. These people want everyone to follow their rules while they sit around judging. These same morons believe Jesus has their back on the Universal Healthcare issue. Apparently Jesus is very materialistic and values money more than the well being of humans.
These people love to claim that charities will fix the problems even though charities have been around since through out the entire history of the US and we still have problems. So obviously charity isn’t working. We need something guaranteed to help these people.
They also like to claim that other countries with universal healthcare are a mess but it’s just not true. The people in these countries are happy and healthy. The Health Insurance companies are the ones spreading the rumors about the condition of other countries. Go figure, the same people who believe in fairy tales with out questioning are the same people who will believe anything their politician tells them, even if the truth is easier to find.
I just love how someone can take an issue and twist it to suit their demented ideas.
Do you really want universal health care? Then go to your local VA hospital and see just what you’re getting into.
Now, why is it that people are conveniently forgetting that it is hospitals and doctors that are charging outrageous prices in the first place.
Instead of offering half-baked health care, treat health care as a needed service, (like water, electricity, etc…) and make health providers responsible for offering their services at fair prices. The gas company must get government permission to raise their prices so why not hospitals? They are after all for profit organizations as are doctors.
Not fair you say?
Then how do you think you’re going to get the government to fork out the b-i-g bucks?
I explain it that you’re a free thinking person who know their stance on issues and doesn’t change just because the people of a certain party all feel the same.
I’m Democratic, and although I do agree with most stereotypical Democratic views, there are some that I do not. I’m only a Dem because they best fit with my views – not because I share all their views.
":because it is unfair to force people to pay for other people’s health care.":
medical costs have tripeled…they have to recover the
no$ insurance$ payment some place…
who is footing the bill for all the illegals??
in this area most of the jobs have turned into minimum wage with no insurance offered…
if you are lucky(?) enough to get basic health, it will only cover certain things and you have to fight to get even basic care…
I can’t get my teeth fixed (partial plate) but I can get a nose job!!
just plain nuts…only the rich can go to the dr?
this town is crawling with DR and clinics!? something is wrong with this picture…
Conservative Chrisians at least the ones I fellowship with, own up to their mistakes. There wouldn’t be child support there would be a wife.
Health care, care for fatherless children, care for those who are in need in general is not a function of the Government but a function of the family, community and the church.
I know its not popular to say so since you all feel that the old testament is simply a book of atrocities but it has a lot to say about how to care for the homeless, fatherless, widows and strangers that live amoung the community.
The New Testament reminds of of our responsibilites outlined in the Old when it says.
Jas 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
Visit for you less spiritual amoung us doesn’t mean to stop by and say howdy do.
Also a reminder from Yashua himself
Matt 25:34-36 ":Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink: I was a stranger, and you invited Me in:
naked, and you clothed Me: I was sick, and you visited Me: I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
Notice in both these passages the onus in not on the Government but on the individual to step up and do what is right to those who are less fortunate.
Just another example of the hypocrisy of the religious nut jobs.
Look at the fundie moron in the White House. He was more concerned with two adults getting married than he was in seeing that children have health care.
I see the hate filled fundies complaining all the time about having to support lazy people. Damn hypocrites!
I think this is a darn good question: I’d love to know the answer. However, a lot of younger Christians (teens) are taking up the banner of children, the environment, etc, and saying that we need to be good stewards of the Earth and our fellow humans. It’s nice to see that these young folks (I’m almost 49, so they are young folks to me!) are stepping up and taking responsibility! Gives me hope!
Edit to Viva Liberty – so you will punish the children for the ‘sins’ of the parent?